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jungofthewon's avatar

Another way bullshitting about class or "privilege" broadly could be bad is if it causes everyone to feel like the victim and no one to accept responsibility and try to change things.

Some of my friends talk about how there *is* a class system in the US, we just pretend like it doesn't exist. This causes wealthier people to treat people in service roles much more poorly than if they had been raised to understand wealth, their privilege, and how they were supposed to care for / support people at different socioeconomic levels.

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A possible way to identify the problem is through the lens of Michael O Church, Venkatesh Rao, and Alex Danco, and that "class" has always been incongruent with wealth accumulation, industriousness and intelligence, but instead on charisma, dominance, and deception. The mistake that "the 1% is the enemy of equality" fails at separating the working rich vs mid-professional class vs the "elite". https://alexdanco.com/2021/01/22/the-michael-scott-theory-of-social-class/ https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2013/4/8/1200263/-Examining-social-class-in-the-US-Church-s-3-ladder-system https://danco.substack.com/p/michael-dwight-and-andy-the-three

This problem will extend to the ideological realm. John Derbyshire and George Packer both identified a system similar to Curtis Yarvin, where there are four classes and base ideologies: Armigers (intellectual elites), Yeoman (free idealists), Lazzari (hard labor), and Autochthons (subjects of welfare). https://americanmanifestobook.blogspot.com/2020/04/three-layers-in-brief.html https://graymirror.substack.com/p/5-the-land-its-people-and-their-dogs

From the screencapped picture, it can be seen that these people are by definition from a "working rich" family with access to university (but not "elite" universities), instead of being directly streamlined into the system, they do not have land ownership or trust funds, they do not value intellectualism over menial labor. Therefore they are not as privileged as one think compared to the ethnic-conscious class or war-inclined class.

If I have to conjecture a way of avoiding culture as a reference point (since every country is different), Samo Burja presented a good substitute: High (those with veto power), Mid (those who can contend for near majority), Low (those who contend for plurality or critical minority), and Out (those who want to play). Some have money but no veto power or sway, whilst others the reverse. https://samoburja.com/empire-theory-part-i-competitive-landscape/ https://samoburja.com/empire-theory-part-ii-power-dynamics/

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